Rose City Antifa has recently issued an expose profiling the information they have on Nazi skinheads in Washington, focusing on those who came to Olympia on May 30th and their affiliates.
The information presented in the article agrees with what we have collected independently at Olydocs. Key takeaways include-
The number of Nazi skinheads involved with the actions in Olympia was reasonably small- certainly less than 20.
The group that came to Olympia was only loosely organized and Jascha Manny probably played a key role in pulling it together.
Manny appears to be a new and fairly inept organizer and his appeals to other white supremacist groups in the region seem to betray a lack of knowledge of those groups, their internal politics, how they relate with other parts of the racist underground, and so on. This suggests he doesn’t have a personal connection to those groups, something supported by some of his posts on Stormfront.org and other social media.
A combination of the strong response by anti-racists on May 30th, subsequent recriminations within the neo-Nazi community, and the exposure of some of the participants on this and other web sites has probably seriously diminished Manny’s ability to pull much support- as illustrated by the events of September 5th.
The skinhead group Volksfront had nothing to do with the events in Olympia on May 30th.
Some of the Nazis who came to Olympia on the 30th have ties to the Northwest Hammerskins organization.
The Northwest Hammerskins appear to be the most organized Nazi skinhead group in Washington state right now. This is partially due to a vacuum created by the collapse of other groups over the past several years.
Matthew Schmoyer is probably the most prominent member of the Northwest Hammerskins in this state and someone who has ties to many of the Nazis who were involved in the recent events in Olympia. Schmoyer was convicted for the racially motivated attack on a young black many in 2003.
Rose City’s conclusions are also solid. While Manny has met with limited success he shouldn’t be counted out. In some regards, such as seeking to capitalize on events that catalyze white racism like the police shooting in Olympia, he has showed good tactical judgment. We should continue to keep an eye on his activities.
The Northwest Hammerskins are a threat we should take seriously. Their membership and extended network includes a lot of people with considerable experience in the white racist community. They also have strong internet presence and the ability to tap into deep ties to the white power music scene, which could be used as powerful organizing tools to grow their ranks and influence in our region.
Many thanks to Rose City Antifa for their hard work and vigilance! Their excellent 3 October 2015 article can be read at- http://rosecityantifa.org/
Posts shared on social media suggest that the Nazis who were active in Olympia on the 30th of May are planning to come back to Olympia on Saturday the 5th of September. The following post was put out by Jascha Manny, one of the primary organizers for the last incursions into Olympia.
We have a report that a driver attempted to run over or seriously frighten two black youth downtown this evening- yelling the N-word at them in the process.
Our information indicates that the driver’s name is Charles Edward Stuart or Stewart. The plate on the car is AOW3165. He has a shaved head and appears to be medium height with a slightly stocky build.
He was stopped by police, but apparently not arrested.
Noise and Color PDX has recently published an excellent article on the Northwest Front’s expropriation of the symbolism from the Free Cascadia Doug Flag for their own banner. Well worth giving it a look. Among other things, it looks at efforts the Free Cascadia movement is taking to prevent infiltration by white supremacists and to counter the Northwest’s Front attempt to draw on their popularity.
Black Top Demon front man and Nazi fellow traveler Joe Ty has struck again- attempting to set at least one person at a Saturday evening Kurt Cobain Days show in Aberdeen on fire. Someone in the crowd apparently sprayed Joe with beer. Ty responded by taking a hairspray can tossed to him by a band member and turning it into an improvised flamethrower, which he unleashed on the offending concertgoer setting his hat and hair on fire.
Police located the highly inebriated victim at a nearby bar, smelling of scorched hair. He refused to press charges, repeatedly saying, “That’s rock and roll!” No other victims were located and no arrests were made.
Getting sprayed with a little beer now and then is part of the bar band gig. It certainly doesn’t warrant setting another human being on fire. This incident serves to highlight that, whether Joe Ty is a racist or not, he certainly behaves like a dangerous sociopath and we should all make sure that he, his band, and their violent and racist supporters are not welcome in our communities.
On the afternoon of June 17th Dylann Roof set out for the Emanuel African Methodist Evangelical Church in Charleston, North Carolina where he would sit down for Bible study for over an hour and then proceed to commit the racially motivated murder of nine of the ten African Americans who he had joined in the church- leaving one alive to spread his message of racial terror. Before he set out, he posted a manifesto on the internet explaining the ideology that motivated him kill. In this screed he referenced some of the key precepts of an organization known as the Northwest Front.
Eighteen days earlier around 20 Nazi skinheads and racist supporters had come to Olympia, Washington eager to come to blows with #blacklivesmatter protesters who had taken to the streets in response to the shooting of two young black men days before. The Nazis were met by hundreds of anti-racist activists who drove them out of town under a reign of blows and a barrage of pepper spray, rocks, and bottles. Before the Nazis left home to come to Olympia on the 30th of May they had issued an appeal for support to that same organization, the Northwest Front.
Roof was critical of the key plank of the Northwest Front’s ideology, the idea that White supremacists should relocate to the Pacific Northwest with the goal of creating an ethnically cleansed white homeland. He couldn’t see the point of leaving the South and chose to engage in his own racist struggles close to home.
The racist skinheads who came to Olympia were disappointed by Northwest Front. After the fighting on the 30th one quipped, “Northwest Front thanks for your non support (sic) and ignoring the call of racialists when the enemy marched 300 through Olympia! 20 skins took up the fight, while you day (sic) idly behind your computer.”
Both Roof and the Nazis who came to Olympia expressed issues with the Northwest Front. At the same time both were familiar with the organization. Neither appear to have gotten any direct support from the group, but they were undoubtedly aware of and influenced by the particular approach to racism espoused by its founder, Harold Covington. With that in mind it is worth looking at the background of Covington and the ideology he is promoting through the Northwest Front.
Harold Armstead Covington (sometimes referred to as HAC by his supporters) was born in Burlington, North Carolina in 1953. He became involved with neo-Nazi politics while in the Army in 1972. After being discharged due to a diagnosis of paranoid personality disorder just prior to deployment to Vietnam, he moved to South Africa and then Rhodesia, which was at the time involved in a guerrilla war against communist backed African nationalists trying to overthrow white rule. While there Covington established the Rhodesian White People’s Party. He was kicked out of the country in 1976 for sending threatening letters to a Jewish synagogue.
Upon his return to the United States Covington joined the Nationalist Socialist Party of America (this organization was the inspiration for the Illinois Nazis spoofed in the original Blues Brothers film). In 1979 members of the North Carolina unit Covington led killed five left-wing anti-Klan protesters in Greensboro, NC. Covington was never indicted for involvement, but he would be named in a civil suit seeking damages for the killings and would later brag about his people “greasing communists” in Greensboro. It has been suggested that Covington, in fact, served as an informant for the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms during this period in order to set up rivals for prosecution and stay out of jail. By 1980 he had risen to be the party’s national leader.
Covington would end up leaving the NSPA and settling in Europe. In 1992 he was involved in the formation of the neo-Nazi terror group Combat 18. Combat 18 was behind numerous threats against immigrants, ethnic minorities, and leftists. It also put out a magazine called Redwatch, which published photos, names, and addresses of political opponents. The group would later splinter off several more radical and violent offshoots including the White Wolves and Racial Volunteer Force and set up U.S. chapters in Illinois, Florida, and Texas. Covington was not well regarded by many UK racists, who felt that his virulent attacks on other White supremacist leaders suggested he was a provocateur.
In 1994 Covington was back in the U.S. He set up the National Socialist White People’s Party, which was very active for a time. He left that organization and began promoting his particular line of hate online, creating one of the first neo-Nazi sites on the internet.
Starting in the early 2000s he self-published a series of novels called the Northwest series. The series is very much in the spirit of William Luther Pierce’s The Turner Diaries, the fictional novel about a white revolutionary vanguard, which is said to have inspired Timothy McVeigh to bomb the Murrow Federal Building. The Northwest series tells the story of “domestic terrorist type guys” organized into a guerrilla brigade not unlike the IRA, which fights a campaign to liberate the Pacific Northwest in order to create a white nation. This is done through bombings, the deployment of specialty sniper teams to target interracial couples, and other terror tactics. One character is Conrad Baumgarten who comes from Germany with his SS officer grandfather’s scoped ’98 Mauser rifle to hunt Jews.
The central idea of the series is the Northwest Imperative. This concept was first propagated by Richard Butler of the Aryan Nations and was an important goal of the Silent Brotherhood/Order terrorist network during their campaign of armored car robberies and assassinations in the early eighties. It proposes that White nationalists should concentrate in the Northwest and then attempt to form an independent ethnically cleansed white homeland in the region.
Covington has said he intended his novels to be a self-fulfilling prophecy. With that in mind he worked to turn his fictional Northwest Front into a real organization capable of realizing these goals in late-2008 early 2009 (it is rumored that Covington lived in Olympia for a time during this period). Today the Front operates a web site and Covington does regular podcasts. The web site purports that they also operate a growing white supremacist enclave outside of Seattle.
Covington appears to be viewed with suspicion by many other prominent white supremacist leaders, who often refer to him as “Weird Harold.” That said, his novels have been influential with many neo-Nazis and he continues to enjoy influence and a following as witnessed by Roof’s familiarity with his thinking and the Nazi skinhead appeal to the Northwest Front for assistance prior to their recent Olympia incursion.
Covington himself condemned Roof’s lone wolf attack on tactical grounds, but at the same time he seems to approve of the result. In a screed on a podcast right after the Charleston shooting that should serve as a warning to those who believe the best policy is to ignore the neo-Nazi/white supremacist threat in the hope that it will go away on its own, Covington said liberals had been given a “preview of coming attractions” by what happened in Charleston-
“They [white liberals] have been given a vision of a time in some imagined but possibly not too-far distant future when all of a sudden, on the street or in their office, or in some trendy fern bar, or Starbucks, or wine-and-cheese boutique on the Upper East Side or in San Francisco, they will look up, possibly from the laptop, where they are typing up their day’s quota of leftwing, liberal horseshit, and they will see a young white man like Dylann Roof standing in front of them with no steroid-pumped policemen in blue to protect their liberal candy asses from the consequences of years of their own behavior,” he said. “They will see in that young white man’s eyes, that he recognizes them. That he is now beyond deception or bullying or browbeating or Twitter-shaming or intimidation that he knows them for what they are. And they will look down and see that he has something in his hand.”
An overview of Covington’s career suggests that he is a clinically paranoid wingnut at the margins of the neo-Nazi movement. He has also proved to be an articulate propagandist with a head full of dangerous ideas. He has played a role in the development of multiple influential white supremacist organizations and has apparently helped inspire more than one violent extremist to act out on the twisted ideology he promotes and kill.
Covington and the Northwest Front remain active in our region. It appears that the Nazis that came to Olympia on May 30th are coming to share the contempt many other white racists have for Covington, but that does not mean we can ignore Harold Covington or the Front. What happened in Charleston shows how racist ideology can spread like a virus with devastating consequences if allowed to go unchecked. Our struggles may seem small and isolated to our communities, but the ideological connection between Dylann Roof and the Nazis that came to Olympia highlights how all of our struggles against racism and white supremacy are connected. Cancers like Covington and the Northwest Front here in our backyard can play a part in tragedies that take the world stage thousands of miles away. Wherever virulent racism rears its ugly head we must all be prepared to react with a diversity of tactics aimed at eradicating the disease before it can grow or spread. Otherwise, the consequences may be more than we can bear.
Olydocuments is always interested in information regarding racist, fascist, neo-Nazi, or violent police activity in the Olympia area and throughout the Pacific Northwest. If you have any such information please contact us by email at olydocuments[at]gmail.com.
You may have noticed that things have been quiet for the past week or more. We have been focused on doing in depth research on the Nazi skinheads that came to Olympia. Look for more revelations at some point in the not too distant future.
We are back in action today with an article with new information on Officer Ryan Donald and on the Olympia City Council’s response to the shooting of Bryson Chaplin and Andre Thompson. Some of you may be thinking that this is a departure from our focus on Nazi skinheads and their racist supporters. It has always been our intention to include police brutality and participation in systemic racism within our range of reporting. The recent posting of fliers around town with some important new information provided the opportunity for our first move in this direction.
Call for Assistance
There are a few things olydocuments would very much like your help with.
1. We know that skinheads came to Olympia before their demo at City Hall on the 26th. We think this is an important story to share with the community. However, we don’t have enough information to put together a clear timeline. If you encountered skinheads or other overt racists in Olympia between May 21 and 29 we’d very much like to hear your story. Even better if you have pictures or video. The message that the skinheads came to Olympia on their own accord immediately after the shooting, as part of a cold-blooded calculation that it would help them recruit other racists, is an important one to get out. Please help us out.
We understand that security culture and other concerns may make you reluctant to reach out to us. Rest assured that we will do everything possible to protect the identity of our sources.
2. The fliers outing various Nazis and other racists that were posted around town contained some information that we don’t have at olydocuments. If someone could supply us a set of the fliers, Twitter hashtags where they can be found, or photos it would be much appreciated.
Please understand that while we felt it necessary to make it clear we didn’t put out the fliers, that doesn’t mean we have a negative view about them. The reality is that like much of the community, our affinity group includes members that have both positive and negative reactions to them. We simply didn’t want to be accountable for content that we weren’t aware of, especially given that our site was referenced on the fliers.
3. We continue to value and seek any other information you may have about topics we have reported on including Nazi skinheads in our region, overt racists, the Olympia Police Department, Olympia City Council responses to the shooting, Officer Ryan Donald, and so on.
If you have information you’d like to share you can email us at email@example.com.
Anonymous local activists have recently distributed hundreds of fliers containing disturbing revelations about Officer Ryan Donald and the Olympia City Council’s response to Donald’s shooting of Bryson Chaplin and Andre Thompson. These fliers are reprinted below. In them there are a few things in particular to note.
1.) Officer Ryan Donald’s Facebook page included a photo shopped image of Martin Luther King holding a Popsicle with the caption, “I HAVE A DREAMSICLE.” Some may argue that this meme is simply a clever play or words. Others may find it overtly racist. Clearly, Donald thought that it was okay and humorous for a white cop to reduce one of the pinnacle moments of the civil rights struggle into a joke in a public forum- an act of racial insensitivity at best.
This sort of poor judgment seems to be a pattern for Officer Donald. Recent disclosures reveal that he was formally reprimanded by his superiors in the Olympia Police Department three times over the last few years. One time for arresting the wrong person on a warrant and failing to discover the mistake until the person was delivered to the station for booking. Another time for mishandling narcotics evidence.
The most pertinent incident took place in April of 2013. Donald arrived on the scene of a disturbance at an apartment involving ten people. Typically, a police officer would call for back up. Instead, he went into the situation alone and put himself into a place where, “the use of force was inevitable.” He dealt with the situation by physically engaging an aggressive participant. This situation resulted in his exposure to attack by three other people involved in the altercation. Two of those men had to be “placed on the ground” by the Officer as a result and one was injured in the process. This led to Donald being formally reprimanded by his supervisor Sgt. Allen because this incident was part of a pattern in which he repeatedly, “…acted alone in situations where sound police tactics and common sense called for more than one Officer.” Allen indicated that he had counselled Donald verbally and would need to continue to monitor his behavior.
It was exactly this sort of behavior- acting alone in a situation where, “…sound police tactics and common sense called for more than one officer,” that many believe led to the shooting of Bryson Chaplin and Andre Thompson.
Clearly, the City Council chose to use their retreat to discuss ‘spin’ rather than serious issues of accountability for an officer who showed possibly criminal bad judgment that resulted in two young black men ending up in the hospital, one of them quite possibly paralyzed for life.
The fliers correctly indicate that we may never know if Officer Donald was motivated by overt racism when he fired on these young men. What we do know with certainty is that he has displayed a pattern of bad decisions which led to the most recent shooting tragedy and should lead to his dismissal. It also quite clear that this shooting places Ryan Donald and the Olympia Police Department squarely within the pattern of systemic racism that results in young black men being shot by police at a rate nearly 30 times higher than whites. If the mayor and the City Council wanted to truly address the issue of systemic racism and internal accountability they wouldn’t cross out the issue of the shooting and instead focus on ways to improve the OPD’s tattered image. Instead they might consider remedies to address systemic problems and prevent unwarranted police violence from occurring again in our community such as- · Immediate deployment of body cameras · De-escalation training · Anti-oppression training · Civil rights training emphasizing that the police protect and serve all members of the community including suspects and perpetrators · An independent civilian review board including members of ‘targeted’ communities · Termination of officers with a pattern of complaints or reprimands as well as criminal charges where warranted · Changes in leadership if required to bring about a change of institutional culture consistent with the above
It’s clear, the City Council is more concerned with ‘Elevating [Police] Accomplishments’ than actual meaningful reform that addresses systemic racism head on. It is up to all of us to continue to exert our rights and drive change by keeping the pressure on – be it inside City Hall and/or on the streets.
Although the following fliers were not created by Olydocuments, we are excited to be posting them here and thank the people who created and distributed them for working hard to expose the truth.
Understanding the Olympia Officer Involved Shooting
and Why the City’s Response is Racist, Wrong, and Dangerous
The facts as we know them:
At 1:15 A.M. early Thursday, May 21st, 2015 on the westside of Olympia, Washington, white police officer, Ryan Donald, shot two young Black unarmed brothers, Andre Thompson, aged 24, and Bryson Chaplin, aged 21.
These two Olympia residents were initially in serious condition at nearby hospitals in Tacoma and Seattle. Andre Thompson was released from the hospital five day after being shot but has broken ribs and internal injuries. As of June 4th, Bryson Chaplin is still hospitalized and paralyzed from the waist down with a bullet lodged in his spine.
According to the local newspaper, The Olympian, of May 22, 2015 the two brothers had been skateboarding at a local park before going to a Safeway supermarket nearby. They picked up some beer and were stopped by an employee of Safeway inside the store but near the entrance and past the cash registers. When challenged, they dropped the beer and took off shortly before 1 A.M., on Thursday, May 21st.
Safeway then called the Olympia police department. Officer Ryan Donald responded and saw Andre Thompson and Bryson Chaplin a few minutes later, about ½ a mile north of Safeway and near the brothers’ home. According to initial police reports, Donald got out of his police car a little before 1:15 a.m. and was attacked by one of the brother with a skateboard. Donald then shot one of them. First shots were fired only TWO minutes after the initial 911 call.
They fled into a nearby wooded area, and when they emerged, the Officer Donald shot the other brother multiple times. However, according to the lawyer for Chaplin and Thompson, both brothers were shot in the back, (The Olympian, June 4, 2015)
Neither brother was armed. Olympia police officer Ryan Donald was not injured. The initial shooting by Donald seems totally unjustified. Remember we are talking about suspects in an alleged shoplifting incident. It’s worth questioning what level of pursuit was even reasonable in that circumstance. The second set of shots that took place a few moments after the first is a case of attempted murder. Donald cannot claim that he was in imminent danger when he fired the second time.
One of the brothers was questioned hours after the shooting. The other was not questioned that day because he was unconscious. Officer Donald was given more than five days before he was interviewed by local law enforcement and his version of what happened has still not been made public.
The City’s Response:
Initially the City of Olympia responded very quickly with multiple press conferences the day of the shooting. Although city officials promised total transparency, to this day they are “unable” to reveal any details or actual information because the Thurston County Special Crimes Task Force is in charge of the investigation.
It has been a month since the shooting and although the Task Force has finished their report, it has not been made available to the public, “pending information from the Washington State Crime Lab”.
In the days and weeks since the shooting Mayor Buxbaum has been front and center at many community forums. He has taken a decidedly calculated approach at shepherding the conversation away from the officer involved shooting to less confronting and generally more comfortable conversation about “Poverty and Crime”.
In a recent community forum in a largely minority church Mayor Buxbaum said in his opening statement he wanted to have a conversation about poverty and “misunderstandings”. This as if the shooting of two unarmed black men by a white police officer was only a misunderstanding and poverty was the cause. Mayor Buxbaum has echoed those sentiments publicly many times since.
Mayor Stephen Buxbaum presented a report to the council Tuesday with recommendations for “next steps” that can be accomplished in the short term, specifically when “addressing the connection between crime and poverty.” The Olympian, June 17
Victim Blaming, White Washing, and Distraction
Yes, every community needs to have a conversation about poverty and crime. However, in the context of an officer involved shooting a conversation talking about poverty and crime is nothing more or less than victim blaming. It’s an intentional attempt to divert the conversation away from an officer who shot two unarmed men.
When a woman is sexually assaulted and people talk about what she was wearing as a “cause”, it is victim blaming. We all recognize that. When an unarmed black man or two is shot by a white officer and the dialog is about poverty and crime, it’s victim blaming and we should all recognize that too. It’s also important to note that minority populations in our community are not largely marginalized by poverty and asserting that is racist and white washing.
It’s also dangerous because when you point the finger at the victim in any case because it takes the focus off of changing the behavior that caused the victimization. In this case when you focus on poverty you are NOT focusing on racism and excessive use of force.
We should also be talking about the Officer who pulled the trigger.
Why? Because he pulled the trigger, five times.
Is he racist? No one knows that besides Officer Ryan Donald. It’s widely reported that he had highly insensitive images on his Facebook profile, before it was taken down hours after the shooting. These included an image of Martin Luther King Jr. with a heading that read, “I Have a Dreamsicle” and a photo-shopped Dreamsicle in his hand. If that sounds too outrageous to believe you can find those images on twitter if you search #olympiashooting and scroll down. However, we can never really know what was in his head when he pulled the trigger.
Was it racism?
Was it fear based on an unconscious bias?
Was it a failure of the officer’s training?
Could that much force have possibly been justified?
These are the questions we need to be asking ourselves and talking about in this community. Anything else is distraction.
What can you do?
This community has been traumatized by an event and that event is not the alleged or attempted shoplift of a case of beer. This community has been deeply injured by something we all naively thought could never happen here. Please contact Mayor Stephen Buxbaum and tell him you want to have a conversation about an officer involved shooting of two unarmed men. Tell the city council we will not tolerate victim blaming and we do not want to be distracted from the issue at hand. The issue at hand is accountability.
Mail: Olympia City Council, PO Box 1967, Olympia, WA 98507-1967
Phone: 360.753.8447 (City Council office)
The Radical Rebranding of a Police Shooting
On Saturday, June 20, the Olympia City Council had their scheduled quarterly retreat. Given the recent Officer involved shooting you might think they would have taken time in their retreat to discuss that. However, they didn’t. This image is a picture taken from the whiteboard in their retreat. This item was buried under several other items about ⅓ of the way through their agenda.
The City Council doesn’t want to talk about a shooting. They want to talk about elevating police department accomplishments.
Think about that.
Without a doubt any officer involved shooting is a public relations crisis for a city, even more so when it’s a white officer who shoots two unarmed black men. When faced with a public relations crisis you can do one of two things. You can face the hard issues head on or you can rebrand and spin.
Unfortunately it’s clear Olympia is taking the spin approach. Racism is a hard thing to talk about, however even if they don’t have the courage to talk about racism one would still hope they’d be willing to talk about use of force and police brutality. Our city council led by Mayor Buxbaum wants to talk about “crime and poverty” and elevating police accomplishments.
That is rebranding. We are smart enough to recognize it when we see it.
Talking about crime and poverty is victim blaming. We are smart enough to recognize that too.
The current city approach is to do ANYTHING but face this shooting head on and avoid talking about the officer at all costs.
When you look at this image, how do you feel?
If it makes you uncomfortable you’re in good company.
Officer Donald pulled the trigger in the dark at least five times. It’s widely reported that this image was posted on Officer Donald’s facebook page before the page was taken down hours after the shooting. Several screenshots of this page are available online.
However, if the city has it’s way we would forget about Officer Donald all together.
In fact, if the city has its way we’d also forget about Bryson Chaplin and Andre Thompson.
One of them is a father of two.
One of them was left paralyzed by the shooting.
We are a largely white community. However, make no mistake, no matter how white you are, this shooting still has an effect on you and your family. Our community is defined by how we respond to this tragedy.
White silence is functionally the same as racism. It’s time for us to speak out.
What can you do? This community has been traumatized by an event and that event is not the alleged or attempted shoplift of a case of beer. This community has been deeply injured by something we all naively thought could never happen here.
Please contact Mayor Stephen Buxbaum and tell him you want to have a conversation about an officer involved shooting of two unarmed men. Tell the city council we will not tolerate victim blaming and we do not want to be distracted from the issue at hand. The issue at hand is accountability.
Mail: Olympia City Council, PO Box 1967, Olympia, WA 98507-1967
Phone: 360.753.8447 (City Council office)
*-Our apologies for not being able to maintain the original formatting of the fliers above for technical reasons
This post on the American Freedom Party from Rose City Antifa may be interesting if you are wanting more background on what is probably the dominant racist organizing tendency in the Pacific Northwest right now.
This will particularly be the case for Olympia folks given that one of the instigators of the May 30th incursion, Jascha Manny, is at least peripherally involved with the group.